Chappell Roan is making no apologies. While serving as a guest alongside Sasha Colby on an episode of TS Madison’s Outlaws posted Monday (May 19), the pop star opened up about embracing her “villain” era after speaking out about toxic fan behavior last year. And while she was feeling candid, Roan also slammed a particular pop-culture update account.
On the topic of her public image, the Missouri native first quipped that she’s “had like three” villain eras since skyrocketing to fame in 2024 following the success of Billboard Hot 100 hit “Good Luck, Babe!” “I was the new girl in the pop game, where I was like, ‘I don’t give a f–k what you say to these girls who have been doing this since they were 10,” she began on the podcast. “I did not get famous until I was 26, so I had a lot of time to realize, ‘Oh, this is what it’s like to be an adult and how to be respected in a job.’”
“I’ve been treated better at my doughnut shop job than I have on a f–king [red] carpet,” she continued. “People on the news treat me worse than how customers did. And I think when I started to say, ‘Don’t talk to me like that’ … That doesn’t mean that I’m a villain or ungrateful for what I have. It’s like, ‘Why is this customary?’”
Roan went on to compare how certain fans have treated her to the way “people were so evil” to stars such as Britney Spears, Lindsay Lohan and Paris Hilton in the past. “That behavior is still, they’re still doing it. … Do you want me to just get to the point where I become agoraphobic? Or so stressed out or so anxious to perform?” she said. “You want me to get to that point? Because if I don’t say anything, I will. If I do not stand up for myself, I will quit because I cannot bear this. I cannot bear people touching me who I don’t know. I cannot bear people following me.”
“I cannot bear people saying I’m something I’m not,” she added. “That’s what’s really hard online. People just assume you’re the villain.”
The interview comes about nine months after Roan first made headlines for addressing what she saw as “predatory” fan behavior, calling out obsessive listeners who would touch her without permission or stalk her whereabouts. Her posts on the subject sparked a wider discussion on stan culture and the sacrifices celebrities must make to be in the public eye. Though many sympathized with Roan, others were quick to deem her ungrateful.
Regardless, the “Pink Pony Club” musician has previously said that her experiences in public have improved drastically since she said her piece. “I think people are scared of me,” Roan said on Call Her Daddy in March. “I think I made a big enough deal about not talking to me that people do not talk to me. I’ve been with people, like, friends who are artists, and when they’re with me, they’re like, ‘It’s a force field around us. People don’t come up to me if I’m with you.’”
But now that she’s washed her hands of toxic fan treatment, Roan has a few other things she’d like to see “banned.” While playing a game of “Ban It, B—h!” on Outlaws, the Grammy winner said she’s had enough of people’s hot takes — “I don’t care. … You don’t know what you’re talking about” — as well as cork shoes and a widely followed pop culture account on X. “Pop Crave,” she said on the show. “Ban it!”
Listen to Roan on Outlaws below.
